The freedom of man between experience and thought (Krishnamurti)

Can there be a gap, an interval between the sensation and thought? Can one look at this not by will but by watchfulness? And can one by this never be indentified with the sensation and never ask oneself ‘I want to have this?’ (Krishnamurti)

I saw on YouTube a video of the very elderly Krishamurti who spoke these words at the end of his reflection. It touched me very much because I suddenly felt that there lies the key to a lot of suffering and derailed desire and materialism. Would You like to elaborate on this?

This is certainly a key and I am happy to go into it.

Using the senses means that man sees, feels, experiences and enjoys with the senses all the beauty and all the richness of full life. That's a simple fact, Krishamurti says, and this applies to all. What happens next?

The senses stimulate thoughts and feelings and then desire arises, one wants to have it. But it is indeed possible for man to remain only with the senses, and to cherish a space between the sensory sensation and the desire/thought afterwards. And one can look at that space as one sees the blue sky between the clouds. And one can do this without effort, without effort at all, but with the utmost attention.

In that space between sensory sensation and thinking/feeling is the freedom of man and the spiritual mission. In that space one can stay with attention and thus avoid becoming identified with the object and prevent oneself from wanting it, wanting to own it, wanting to keep it. And so become unhappy if one does not have it or does not get it.

And one will stay happy then because one only experiences, not desires. In this way, freedom is cherished, “obsession” is prevented and one can be happy with the sensation just for what it is, one can continue to enjoy with empty hands and a free attitude. 

Krishnamurti is blessed.  

My blessings to you all

No. 518

 

The more loving the good deed, the more powerfully the devil will react (Sevdaliza 2)

Every level has his devil Sevdaliza)

My God, this wise woman uttered these words and they sound almost humanisticly. Every task has its obstacles and the more difficult something is, the bigger the problems to be solved. Kind of. But it just so happens that lately I have been dealing quite intensively with people who, inspired by their faith, attribute all setbacks, all problems, everything that fails, all obstacles very directly to the devil, and that seems to me to be a bit too much of a good thing.

After all, an earthquake, a mouse being eaten by an owl, a day when things don't work out that way, it seems to me too much credit for the devil to attribute everything to him. Life on earth, evolution, the daily routine are also simply characterized by things that do not go well, by failures, by difficulties, that is also just part of earthly life, isn't it?

Would You like to comment on this?

 

I like to do so, my son.

Indeed, it is too much honour for the devil to attribute all difficulties to that being. "Shit happens", We'll just say this plainly. And you've actually already answered yourself. Sometimes something negative or a disease is a necessity or a blessing.

But of course there is always more to say about it.

I would like to focus very specifically on behalf of Sevdaliza's remark to the performance by a man of a good deed, which is pleasing to God and brings man closer to God. This then generates the devil's hatred of this step. For the devil wants to take man away from God.

When people do a good deed, they are automatically visited by the devil. This concerns both believing and unbelieving people. The devil does not like to see good deeds done. And he will try to punish them, by a scratch on a car, by a glass that falls over, by an unexpected setback, by a disappointing encounter. And it happens that people immediately see the connection, but they may draw wrong conclusions.

They do something good and then experience something unpleasant and tend to conclude, you see, I am too good for this world, or you can better be selfish. 

But it's really better if man does good, anyway.

Yet the spiritual world prefers that the creature be called by its name. We prefer that man, (but it requires wisdom when that can be sighed and when not) then says "Oh the devil wants to make it difficult for me, that childish being, well then I will do even harder good deeds, he will not get me down under". And God would rather not see that man then flees even harder into egoism, because that is a dead end.

The moral of the story is that a person should not be unsuspecting.

If one does good, one gets opposition, but that opposition must encourage a person to do even more good deeds. That is the spiritual way of man, and God likes to see that.  It is thus a great guide to life, that one should expect that the greater the act, the more difficult the task, the greater the opposition. The opposition is just part of it and one can wait for that and one really should not be stopped by it. 

Sevdaliza is blessed.

My blessings to you all

 

*Dutch TV program (VPRO)  August 8, 2021

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